Wednesday, April 02, 2014

Mentats Wanted, Will Train

The theme of last week’s post here on The Archdruid Report—the strategy of preserving or reviving technologies for the deindustrial future now, before the accelerating curve of decline makes that task more difficult than it already is—can be applied very broadly indeed. Just now, courtesy of the final blowoff of the age of cheap energy, we have relatively easy access to plenty of information about what worked in the past; some other resources are already becoming harder to get, but there’s still time and opportunity to accomplish a great deal.

I’ll be talking about some of the possibilities as we proceed, and with any luck, other people will get to work on projects of their own that I haven’t even thought of. This week, though, I want to take Gustav Erikson’s logic in a direction that probably would have made the old sea dog scratch his head in puzzlement, and talk about how a certain set of mostly forgotten techniques could be put back into use right now to meet a serious unmet need in contemporary American society.

The unmet need I have in mind is unusually visible just now, courtesy of the recent crisis in the Ukraine. I don’t propose to get into the whys and wherefores of that crisis just now, except to note that since the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the small nations of eastern Europe have been grist between the spinning millstones of Russia and whichever great power dominates western Europe. It’s not a comfortable place to be; Timothy Snyder’s terse description of 20th century eastern Europe as “bloodlands” could be applied with equal force to any set of small nations squeezed between empires, and it would take quite a bit of unjustified faith in human goodness to think that the horrors of the last century have been safely consigned to the past.

The issue I want to discuss, rather, has to do with the feckless American response to that crisis. Though I’m not greatly interested in joining the chorus of American antigovernment activists fawning around Vladimir Putin’s feet these days, it’s fair to say that he won this one. Russia’s actions caught the United States and EU off balance, secured the Russian navy’s access to the Black Sea and the Mediterranean, and boosted Putin’s already substantial popularity at home. By contrast, Obama came across as amateurish and, worse, weak.  When Obama announced that the US retaliation would consist of feeble sanctions against a few Russian banks and second-string politicians, the world rolled its eyes, and the Russian Duma passed a resolution scornfully requesting Obama to apply those same sanctions to every one of its members.

As the crisis built, there was a great deal of talk in the media about Europe’s dependence on Russian natural gas, and the substantial influence over European politics that Russia has as a result of that unpalatable fact. It’s a major issue, and unlikely to go away any time soon; around a third of the natural gas that keeps Europeans from shivering in the dark each winter comes from Russian gas fields, and the Russian government has made no bones about the fact that it could just as well sell that gas to somebody to Russia’s south or east instead. It was in this context that American politicians and pundits started insisting at the top of their lungs that the United States had a secret weapon against the Sov—er, Russian threat: exports of abundant natural gas from America, which would replace Russian gas in Europe’s stoves, furnaces, and power plants.

As Richard Heinberg pointed out trenchantly a few days back in a typically spot-on essay, there’s only one small problem with this cozy picture: the United States has no spare natural gas to export.  It’s a net importer of natural gas, as it typically burns over a hundred billion more cubic feet of gas each month than it produces domestically.  What’s more, even according to the traditionally rose-colored forecasts issued by the EIA, it’ll be 2020 at the earliest before the United States has any natural gas to spare for Europe’s needs. Those forecasts, by the way, blithely assume that the spike in gas production driven by the recent fracking bubble will just keep on levitating upwards for the foreseeable future; if this reminds you of the rhetoric surrounding tech stocks in the runup to 2000, housing prices in the runup to 2008, or equivalent phenomena in the history of any other speculative swindle you care to name, let’s just say you’re not alone.

According to those forecasts that start from the annoying fact that the laws of physics and geology do actually apply to us, on the other hand, the fracking boom will be well into bust territory by 2020, and those promised torrents of natural gas that will allegedly free Europe from Russian influence will therefore never materialize at all. At the moment, furthermore, boasting about America’s alleged surplus of natural gas for export is particularly out of place, because US natural gas inventories currently in storage are less than half their five-year average level for this time of year, having dropped precipitously since December. Since all this is public information, we can be quite confident that the Russians are aware of it, and this may well explain some of the air of amused contempt with which Putin and his allies have responded to American attempts to rattle a saber that isn’t there.

Any of the politicians and pundits who participated in that futile exercise could have found out the problems with their claim in maybe two minutes of internet time.  Any of the reporters and editors who printed those claims at face value could have done the same thing. I suppose it’s possible that the whole thing was a breathtakingly cynical exercise of Goebbels’ “Big Lie” principle, intended to keep Americans from noticing that the Obama’s people armed themselves with popguns for a shootout at the OK Corral. I find this hard to believe, though, because the same kind of thinking—or, more precisely, nonthinking—is so common in America these days.

It’s indicative that my post here two weeks ago brought in a bumper crop of the same kind of illogic. My post took on the popular habit of using the mantra “it’s different this time” to insist that the past has nothing to teach us about the present and the future. Every event, I pointed out, has some features that set it apart from others, and other features that it shares in common with others; pay attention to the common features and you can observe the repeating patterns, which can then be adjusted to take differences into account.  Fixate on the differences and deny the common features, though, and you have no way to test your beliefs—which is great if you want to defend your beliefs against reasonable criticism, but not so useful if you want to make accurate predictions about where we’re headed.

Did the critics of this post—and there were quite a few of them—challenge this argument, or even address it? Not in any of the peak oil websites I visited. What happened instead was that commenters brandished whatever claims about the future are dearest to their hearts and then said, in so many words, “It’s different this time”—as though that somehow answered me. It was quite an impressive example of sheer incantation, the sort of thing we saw not that long ago when Sarah Palin fans were trying to conjure crude oil into America’s depleted oilfields by chanting “Drill, baby, drill” over and over again. I honestly felt as though I’d somehow dozed off at the computer and slipped into a dream in which I was addressing an audience of sheep, who responded by bleating “But it’s different this ti-i-i-i-ime” in perfect unison.

A different mantra sung to the same bleat, so to speak, seems to have been behind the politicians and pundits, and all that nonexistent natural gas they thought was just waiting to be exported to Europe. The thoughtstopping phrase here is “America has abundant reserves of natural gas.” It will doubtless occur to many of my readers that this statement is true, at least for certain values of that nicely vague term “abundant,” just as it’s true that every historical event differs in at least some way from everything that’s happened in the past, and that an accelerated program of drilling can (and in fact did) increase US petroleum production by a certain amount, at least for a while. The fact that each of these statements is trivially true does not make any of them relevant.

That is to say, a remarkably large number of Americans, including the leaders of our country and the movers and shakers of our public opinion, are so inept at the elementary skills of thinking that they can’t tell the difference between mouthing a platitude and having a clue.

I suppose this shouldn’t surprise me as much as it does. For decades now, American public life has been dominated by thoughtstoppers of this kind—short, emotionally charged declarative sentences, some of them trivial, some of them incoherent, none of them relevant and all of them offered up as sound bites by politicians, pundits, and ordinary Americans alike, as though they meant something and proved something. The redoubtable H.L. Mencken, writing at a time when such things were not quite as universal in the American mass mind than they have become since then, called them “credos.”  It was an inspired borrowing from the Latin credo, “I believe,” but its relevance extends far beyond the religious sphere. 

Just as plenty of believing Americans in Mencken’s time liked to affirm their fervent faith in the doctrines of whatever church they attended without having the vaguest idea of what those doctrines actually meant, a far vaster number of Americans these days—religious, irreligious, antireligious, or concerned with nothing more supernatural than the apparent capacity of Lady Gaga’s endowments to defy the laws of gravity—gladly affirm any number of catchphrases about which they seem never to have entertained a single original thought. Those of my readers who have tried to talk about the future with their family and friends will be particularly familiar with the way this works; I’ve thought more than once of providing my readers with Bingo cards marked with the credos most commonly used to silence discussions of our future—“they’ll think of something,” “technology can solve any problem,” “the world’s going to end soon anyway,” “it’s different this time,” and so on—with some kind of prize for whoever fills theirs up first.

The prevalence of credos, though, is only the most visible end of a culture of acquired stupidity that I’ve discussed here in previous posts, and Erik Lindberg has recently anatomized in a crisp and thoughtful blog post. That habit of cultivated idiocy is a major contributor to the crisis of our age, but a crisis is always an opportunity, and with that in mind, I’d like to propose that it’s time for some of us, at least, to borrow a business model from the future, and start getting prepared for future job openings as mentats.

In Frank Herbert’s iconic SF novel Dune, as many of my readers will be aware, a revolt against computer technology centuries before the story opened led to a galaxywide ban on thinking machines—“Thou shalt not make a machine in the image of a human mind”—and a corresponding focus on developing human capacities instead of replacing them with hardware. The mentats were among the results: human beings trained from childhood to absorb, integrate, and synthesize information. Think of them as the opposite end of human potential from the sort of credo-muttering couch potatoes who seem to make up so much of the American population these days:  ask a mentat if it really is different this time, and after he’s spent thirty seconds or so reviewing the entire published literature on the subject, he’ll give you a crisp first-approximation analysis explaining what’s different, what’s similar, which elements of each category are relevant to the situation, and what your best course of action would be in response.

Now of course the training programs needed to get mentats to this level of function haven’t been invented yet, but the point still stands: people who know how to think, even at a less blinding pace than Herbert’s fictional characters manage, are going to be far better equipped to deal with a troubled future than those who haven’t.  The industrial world has been conducting what amounts to a decades-long experiment to see whether computers can make human beings more intelligent, and the answer at this point is a pretty firm no. In particular, computers tend to empower decision makers without making them noticeably smarter, and the result by and large is that today’s leaders are able to make bad decisions more easily and efficiently than ever before. That is to say, machines can crunch data, but it takes a mind to turn data into information, and a well-trained and well-informed mind to refine information into wisdom.

What makes a revival of the skills of thinking particularly tempting just now is that the bar is set so low. If you know how to follow an argument from its premises to its conclusion, recognize a dozen or so of the most common logical fallacies, and check the credentials of a purported fact, you’ve just left most Americans—including the leaders of our country and the movers and shakers of our public opinon—way back behind you in the dust. To that basic grounding in how to think, add a good general knowledge of history and culture and a few branches of useful knowledge in which you’ve put some systematic study, and you’re so far ahead of the pack that you might as well hang out your shingle as a mentat right away.

Now of course it may be a while before there’s a job market for mentats—in the post-Roman world, it took several centuries for those people who preserved the considerable intellectual toolkit of the classical world to find a profitable economic niche, and that required them to deck themselves out in tall hats with moons and stars on them. In the interval before the market for wizards opens up again, though, there are solid advantages to be gained by the sort of job training I’ve outlined, unfolding from the fact that having mental skills that go beyond muttering credos makes it possible to make accurate predictions about the future that are considerably more accurate than the ones guiding most Americans today. .

This has immediate practical value in all sorts of common, everyday situations these days. When all the people you know are rushing to sink every dollar they have in the speculative swindle du jour, for example, you’ll quickly recognize the obvious signs of a bubble in the offing, walk away, and keep your shirt while everyone else is losing theirs. When someone tries to tell you that you needn’t worry about energy costs or shortages because the latest piece of energy vaporware will surely solve all our problems, you’ll be prepared to ignore him and go ahead with insulating your attic, and when someone else insists that the Earth is sure to be vaporized any day now by whatever apocalypse happens to be fashionable that week, you’ll be equally prepared to ignore him and go ahead with digging the new garden bed. 

When the leaders of your country claim that an imaginary natural gas surplus slated to arrive six years from now will surely make Putin blink today, for that matter, you’ll draw the logical conclusion, and get ready for the economic and political impacts of another body blow to what’s left of America’s faltering global power and reputation. It may also occur to you—indeed, it may have done so already—that the handwaving about countering Russia is merely an excuse for building the infrastructure needed to export American natural gas to higher-paying global markets, which will send domestic gas prices soaring to stratospheric levels in the years ahead; this recognition might well inspire you to put a few extra inches of insulation up there in the attic, and get a backup heat source that doesn’t depend either on gas or on gas-fired grid electricity, so those soaring prices don’t have the chance to clobber you.

If these far from inconsiderable benefits tempt you, dear reader, I’d like to offer you an exercise as the very first step in your mentat training.  The exercise is this: the next time you catch someone (or, better yet, yourself) uttering a familiar thoughtstopper about the future—“It’s different this time,” “They’ll think of something,” “There are no limits to what human beings can achieve,” “The United States has an abundant supply of natural gas,” or any of the other entries in the long and weary list of contemporary American credos—stop right there and think about it. Is the statement true? Is it relevant? Does it address the point under discussion?  Does the evidence that supports it, if any does, outweigh the evidence against it? Does it mean what the speaker thinks it means? Does it mean anything at all?

There’s much more involved than this in learning how to think, of course, and down the road I propose to write a series of posts on the subject, using as raw material for exercises more of the popular idiocies behind which America tries to hide from the future. I would encourage all the readers of this blog to give this exercise a try, though. In an age of accelerating decline, the habit of letting arbitrary catchphrases replace actual thinking is a luxury that nobody can really afford, and those who cling to such things too tightly can expect to be blindsided by a future that has no interest in playing along with even the most fashionable credos.

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In not unrelated news, I’m pleased to report that the School of Economic Science will be hosting a five week course in London on Economics, Energy and Environment, beginning April 29 of this year, based in part on ideas from my book The Wealth of Nature. The course will finish up with a conference on June 1 at which, ahem, I’ll be one of the speakers. Details are at www.eeecourse.org.

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LewisLucanBooks said...

Sea Water into fuel! For the Navy!

http://news.yahoo.com/us-navy-game-changer-converting-seawater-fuel-150544958.html

It's hard to groan and laugh at the same time. The corker is the sign off line. The "only" drawback on this wonderful new liquid is that it will take 10 years to produce industrial quantities.

Nastarana said...


Dear Unknown,

Thank you for your kind remarks about aging liberal arts graduates. I think your opinion is a little more flattering than most of us deserve, but one useful resource we do have is our book collections.

I, and I imagine, other aging bookworms would love to share our collections. Unfortunately, there are some problems with "setting up an alternative library".

1. It is a package deal. Along with the classics of history, literature, out of print manuals for various useful crafts and so on, you get us. That is to say, you get a collection of irascible old coots who don't suffer fools lightly and frumpy, unfashionable, outspoken old bags who have zero respect for status rankings and informal hierarchies, people who do not make good impressions on city councils and wealthy donors.

2. In any case, the usual model of non-profit organization would not work here and I would not share with such an organization. I have no interest in seeing half my collection thrown out by some social climbing neat freak, nor do I wish to be subject to the ideological preoccupations of politically motivated board members.

3. Some sort of under the radar establishment, which would not attract the usual coterie of status seekers and ideologues with agendas would need to be found.

I would be grateful for any constructive ideas and suggestions any reader here might have.

wagelaborer said...

When I first started reading this, I got depressed. I know nothing of philosophy, or logic.

But, I do disregard most of conventional wisdom. So, there's that.

20 years ago, I bought my house, close enough to walk to work, in case my car broke down, or gas was unavailable. It has enough land to grown much food, in case the economy collapsed, which I expected to happen at any minute.

20 years later, I still haven't mastered the art of growing food. At least, not enough to live on. My fruit trees are thriving, but not so much the fruit, which insects, birds and mold get first.

My job looks shakier than the oil availability.

At first I boarded horses, to make extra money. As the economy slowly collapsed, so did my boarders. I ended up with 3 abandoned horses. One remains, now 33 years old, and I ended up buying hay and grain for him this winter, to keep him alive. So much for making money on that business.

When my last child left college, I went to part time. I work just enough to pay the bills, and enjoy the rest of my life as free time.

Last week, the mice chewed through the circuit board of my heater, destroying it. We have been thinking about geothermal for awhile, but that would involve working more hours. The heating guy told me that I could get a high efficiency gas heater, instead. I was taken aback. Does he really think that natural gas will continue? Yes, he does.

The mice also got to my seedlings. Country living isn't all it's cracked up to be.

I was talked into a 401K for awhile, but when I realized that I was "invested" in Goldman Sachs and gold mining, I cashed it in and bought solar panels. The installer told me that every single job he'd worked on for the last 2 years has been with people's 401K money. Which shows that some people are thinking ahead.



wagelaborer said...

On the internet, and the Ukraine.

I love the internet. Much more information is available. For instance, when an above poster said that she believed that the US was involved of the overthrow of the elected government, I knew that that was a fact, not an opinion.

The internet informed me that Victoria Nuland was caught on tape picking out the new prime minister, now duly placed in office and promptly recognized by the US and NATO as the official leader. She was also filmed talking about how the US had spent $5 billion in the Ukraine to overthrow the government. This is information that you simply cannot find in mainstream media.
So, there's that.

Phil Harris said...

JMG and all
I have been following the rulings of your US supreme court (drop the upper case)and experiencing that certain sinking feeling. The fallout is global.

Are Americans well past the point of grasping just how momentous this perverse logic has become?

Or maybe it won't matter that much because it will only confirm implacable reality?

Gary Younge in the UK Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/06/money-bought-elections-us-donation-rules

best
Phil H

latefall said...


@latheChuck:

This is a soft one (i.e. even more difficult than a hard one).
Looking back I think I went through a few changes of thought already, and my feeling is there'll be more.
What struck me was that a relative measure like:
"We do a LOT of things here better than anyone else we know!"
is not a bad place to start. "A Lot" is of course problematic because it says next to nothing. "More" would be better in my opinion, but there's two problems that come up immediately competition (and incentives for juking the stats), the other thing is if you reduce destructive activity by convincing others or finding more efficient ways to do things - how is that figured into your stats?
For a while I just tried to imagine a bunch of dead 3rd world people (roughly in proportion of my energy over-use) following me around looking at what I do, and either approving my motives and results or not. I would imagine that they would be somewhat appeased if I was (succesfully) working on something that may save similar amounts of energy as I used up to get to that point. Of course it is not quite so simple as the non-renewable energy I used will impact later generations just as much, or even significantly more if you take the complexity of the situation into account. So I moved more towards people of the future + poor dead people model... but this is also not really satisfying in more than one way.

Then there's the issue of: if I manage to convince someone to use less energy - can I add (a fraction) to my allowance? Sure I may have had a part in the change - but also the influenced subject was most likely cooperative. I think there's no way we can split this right - which leads me away from thinking in individuals because you impose all kinds of artificial boundaries that get in the way of solutions. On the other hand it opens the door to "my XYZ commanded my to do this - without regard for the (currently existing) individual", aka fanaticism, or hubris, or not being nice.
Safeguard against that to a degree: valueing consensus, especially at higher levels.
If the consensus is hubris - tough luck.

Unfortunately the complete "white knight approach" to this also strikes me as rather vulnerable. And if I get a Ghandi quote in reply for this, I will answer with a Ghandi quote.

But Glenn also has a point. Many Good Things need not be done out of altruism exclusively, some critical thinking, perspicuity, and will to survive are often sufficient to keep you busy with many of them.
What I would wish for is a narrative not based solely on the individual, limited time-efficient return on investment, and rational market actors.
In a world where individuals are ready to die for flags, the devil defecates on the biggest pile, and positive feedback speculation is the norm, the end of the line does not converge in a nice place.

Raymond Duckling said...

@latheChuck

I hear you, man! Sounds all too familiar. That being said, I think you two are talking past each other.

You> "are there any good options."

We do not have the context to guess why you bring this to the conversation, but it seems to me that you were just thinking in big-picture terms. No particular action item to tackle.

She> "What do you mean? We do LOT of things here..."

She's turning defensive. Maybe she expects this to be like a casual way from your part to push yet another initiative to expand your already extensive amount of achievements. This is all your project after all, and she comes along because she loves you, but does not sound particularly committed to me (or maybe she's just tired).

She> "These are all good things for the environment."

This particular line tells me that she is not aware of the magnitude of ordeal ahead. She's doing these things because, you know, she loves you and you are concerned about this things... but I just don't see her wondering what's your family going to eat when that sweet telecommuter job gets off-shored to Elbonia. Or when domestic electricity/network access gets so spotty that she is essentially told that she must chose between coming to the office every day (@ gas prices that eat up 50%-60% of her (pretax) salary) or presenting her resignation.

You> when we're talking about fossil fuels...

You keep talking about big picture, and fail to address her concern. She is telling you that you should be trying to meet her middle-way, nevermind that in a few years there is going to be no middle-way since this is not part of her horizon anyways. And you restate what you already have... we move forwards.

She> Are you saying that we should crawl into a cave?

She's left subtlety aside. Why does she think that doing what you do (or more of it) is the equivalent of crawling into a cave? Which is interesting because...

She> I'm not coming with you into a cave-house.

So, it's your call. But instead of leaving her outside of the cave, or crawling out of the cave, I think you will much prefer to take the time to show her that there is not cave, and never has been in the first place. Then you two may have a chance to figure out what kind of shelter you belong with, if any.

You> No, we'll keep doing what we've been doing, and look for ways to do better.

That was a none answer. You may want to go back and provide a real answer? Or not... again, I am just another random guy in the Internets... I know nothing about you, do i?

Doctor Westchester said...

Perhaps this might mark the beginning of the Butlerian future: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-06/humans-replacing-robots-herald-toyota-s-vision-of-future.html

Ruben said...

@DesertedPictures

My own response is not unlike JMG's. When people say they are coming to my house if disaster strikes, I pointedly ask them what they are bring with them that will make them worth feeding. That shuts the lawyers up pretty fast.

Shane Wilson said...

@Phil
Are western Europeans, Canadians, and Australians incapable of seeing that the U.S. is a dead and dying empire bent on bringing down the curtain on itself? It's frustrating when our client states bitterly complain about our death wish, all the while desperately clinging to us on the way down, unwilling to see the writing on the wall and at least attempt to put some political & economic distance between us & them. So it goes, I guess

heteromeles said...

Oh, I wish there could be mentats. The thing is, there is no credible documentation of eidetic memory. The Memory Palace, while ancient and quite workable (it's similar to Australian dreamlines, actually), is not a recipe for developing an eidetic memory.

We're limited in what we can memorize, and unfortunately, that means that, absent some biochemical breakthrough enabled by computers, we're not going to be able to store large volumes of random access memory as the machines do.

We'll always need our libraries, our ledgers, and our bureaucrats, I'm afraid.

Glenn said...

With apologies to our host.

Last week:

"John Michael Greer said...

I'd like to see someone take a Norse longship hull and refit it with 19th or early 20th century rigging -- my guess is you'd get something that would skim over the water like greased lightning."

And I dismissed it.

But the words seeped into the back of my mind and eventually triggered what passes for my memory. What came up was the Yarmouth Beach Yawls of the East Coast of England. 50 to 75 foot open, dipping lug rigged boats that launched off the beach into the surf. Top speeds of 14 to 16 knots, a speed to length ration of around 1.85 (speed in knots divided by square root of waterline in feet). Top speed for displacement hulls is 1.33. How'd they do it? Huge sail area, fine lined shallow hulls, and massive crews; both to handle the sails (the main sails were lowered and passed behind the mast to the new lee side on each tack) and to shift sand bag ballast to windward as well. A 50 foot boat might have a crew of two dozen men. They obviously never made a nickel hauling freight or fishing due to crew costs. What did they do? From the late 18th to the mid 19th centuries they engaged in the lucrative trades of smuggling, salvage, wrecking (illegal salvage), pilotage and transporting ships officers and passengers from ship to shore and back. As well, the less lucrative act of lifesaving. A highly refined and specialized vessel, which like the American Baltimore clippers, were only viable in extremely profitable trade. The Yawls were eventually put out of business by the advent of steam tugs, iron anchor chains and Trinity House lifeboats. One of the last, the BITTERN, lay rotting on the beach in 1929.

Judging by the published lines, the similarity to longship hulls was more generic than specific. With more upright stems and flatter floors (shallower angle of rise from keel to turn of the bilge), there was more twist and less depth in the hulls. Due to their shallow draft they did not point high to windward, their fastest point of sail being a broad reach. Their light lapstrake construction and narrow shallow proportions bore the greatest resemblance to their Norse forebears.

This is from Edgar March's "Inshore Craft of Britain in the Days of Sail and Oar - Vol. 2", chapter 5, commencing page 159. Copyright 1970, published by David and Charles at Newton Abbot.

So yes, JMG, for a brief shining period, hulls resembling longships with a more modern rig did indeed sail like greased lightning. You were right, and I was wrong.

They were indeed men in those days; though many died in harness, and few of them rich. For what it's worth, the boats were usually owned by their crews in cooperative companies, as was common with such vessels all about the coast of Great Britain. All those who participated in a launch were due a share of the earnings (salvage being the most profitable); and reduced shares were paid to widows and orphans of members who died in good standing.

Glenn

in the Bramblepatch
Marrowstone Island
Salish Sea
Cascadia

pg said...

Please disregard if The Rhetorical Forest has already been mentioned....

On the topic of critical thinking-- and while the web is still up-- a wonderful site that shows just how precise, discriminating, and agile ancient Greek and Roman orators were is "silva rhetoricae"

www.rhetoric.byu.edu.

latheChuck said...

DesertedPictures: Extending your story for a few frames... you welcome the naive old friend into your home, and put a little food into him. He says "don't you have something other than rehydrated kidney beans and butternut squash?". A moment later, it dawns on him...k"if you're so well prepared, why is it always so cold in here?"

So, your first lesson for the guest is to go over the inventory: X kilos of food; Y kilos of fuel, divided by N persons yesterday, divided by N+1 persons today. "I get it." he says "If you need to make it last until next summer's harvest, this is all we get for today. But, you know, something better will probably come along before then, so why don't we each have a little more right now?"

At that point, you send him out for a bit more firewood, and lock the door behind him. He pounds on it for a while, then realizes that there wasn't anything he really wanted inside, anyway.

latheChuck said...

Raymond Duckling- Thanks for the thoughful (and pretty much spot-on) analysis. Worry not, the wife and I continue to be on fine terms, especially since she just found out that the husband of an acquaintance of hers recently executed an identity-theft scam against his wife (the mother of his toddler), ruining her credit and stealing as much of her money as he could get away with. (We have no information on a motive, but are confident that he was not buying solar panels.)

HalFiore said...

The exercise is this: the next time you catch someone (or, better yet, yourself) uttering a familiar thoughtstopper about the future ... stop right there and think about it.

I may be misunderstanding the assignment, but I don't think I or many other regular readers of this blog are likely to carry those sorts of thought-stoppers around with us. No doubt, we have our own, but to me, the sorts of beliefs about the world that hamper my ability to act are different in nature than the sort of glib bullet statements you've been criticizing here.

Rather than having my thoughts stopped, I feel myself more paralyzed by utterly unhelpful, distracting, and if anything, overly abundant trains of thought. These are more old, deep seated, psychological dialogs: ("I'm just one man, what can I do?"; "I never was any good at practical/mechanical things anyway."; "I'm just not a natural leader/promoter.")

The problem is that I really have noticed a diminished ability to organize my thoughts in the last few years. Yeah, I'm older now, and this medium is difficult for me, but I'm feeling deficiencies in the areas of strategic planning, time management, and balancing priorities. As illustration, it's taken me this long to get my thoughts at all organized and stuffed into the little blogger box.

So, I guess what I'm saying is that I think I could benefit from what you have to offer, but not sure how to apply the first assignment. I'll be very interested to see what follows.

HalFiore said...

DesertedPictures: May I offer an alternative to your alternative? Keeping in mind that he's talking about an event in the here-and-now.

The scene: JMG is in a social situation in which he is trying to convince people to prepare for harder times ahead. Someone there has resisted the thought, and made a mild threat, perhaps in jest, to the effect that he doesn't need to prepare, because he can just come take from those who have prepared.

Now you would have his response be what? "You're right, you don't really need to prepare. I'll have everything you need, and even meet you at the door with a cup of tea."

Not sure how that's going to advance the agenda.

I think JMG's response speaks a little more effectively to situation at hand: "Well, you might want to rethink that plan. Those of us who are prepared just might not greet you with open arms when the time comes."

DesertedPictures said...

@ Ruben,

Fair point: but my main issue was with the fact that JMG brought a shotgun into the situation.

@ Latheshuk,

Funny: some people will probably never learn. But once the electricity falls (permanently) I assume a lot of people will have no choice but to accept reality. It's one thing to say 'nothing is the matter; when you can still use money to get food/water/heath delivered to your house. You need to be a lot more stupid to say the same thing when the petrol-system falls down. But some people will hold onto that. But I doubt they would be the ones knocking on your door. They would just freeze to that waiting in line at the gas station, not realising it will never be filled again.

@ Halfiore,

I explicitly adressed the point that this was a response to a question now, not a future scenario. And my main point remains that it doesn't help to bring a gun-threath into such a conversation. Saying you will shoot your friends if things go south, hardly ever convinces anyone that they really need to prepare. They will just as themselves why they are friends with you in the first place.

If friends get into trouble they can knock on my door. I know I can knock on theirs if I need them. That's why they are friends. (and I assume that is why they are discussing this with you in the first place.) Most people don't believe in the scenario where they need to prepare for living in a society without (a lot of) energy. When they say 'I'll just come to your house' it's a joke. (and if JMG had made it a joking 'gun' response and kept it that, I wouldn't have said anything) If they where actually convinced that the system might collapse they would probably prepare for that. I don't know that many people that like the idea of mooching off of their friend. I think the scenario where people don't prepare for decline because they know a friend that has prepared for it, is fairly unrealistic.

Keep in mind: it's not an ideal scenario for the 'friend'. He would have to learn skills to survive without the benefit off a fossil fuel society provide heath while he was isolating his house, without food if his crops fails the first harvest, without anything. He would probably want to repay you for your help, which would make life quite difficult in the first years he was adjusting to the new situation.

Most people would not see 'you get a kind word, a cup of tea and a lot of very hard work' as some sort of golden parachute.

August Johnson said...

@DesertedPictures - notice the whole quote from JMG:

"I'll just come to your house," I laugh at them and say, "Good luck with that. Why should I let you in the door?" If they say something about coming with a shotgun, I say, "Okay, good. I can add you to the list of people to shoot the moment they cross the property line,"

The person who mentioned bringing a gun was the other person, JMG was responding to that threat. His "friend" was making a threat. I don't think a cup of tea is an appropriate answer.

Ray Wharton said...

Another possible response to "I'll just come to your house": "I do like the idea of having a servant, but even supposing I can put away enough to cover the expense, what would make you especially qualified for the position?"

Of course collapse isn't an over night affair, and it is a complicated issue how to act as friends and love ones start to each hit their personal collapse points. I can see that happening around a few edges of my social circles. And I cannot help that I remember how someone has shown their character in the past, and even those who deny peak oil with the most ridiculous thought stoppers is more likely to get a helping hand (if possible) if they have in the past acted with generosity and compassion than a true believer in every detail of Catabolic Collapse agreeing with me down to the fine details who is petty, stingy, or cruel. Issues of loyalties are very touchy as times get hard and painful choices have to be made.

Lisa said...

Being a consultant, the thing that made it work for me was just common sense and stopping to think - it was truly amazing how far you could get with that and how surprised people are with what a little common sense can come up with.

The not wanting to think things through, or the not tending to, is there even in intelligent, well-read people, although the examples aren't as obvious as 'everything will be okay'. I think it comes from a lack of self-doubt. You have to not trust your own instincts and impressions, not just question what other people are saying. This is not something we, and possibly humans, are comfortable with - being sure is much easier.

And living with ambiguity. I know that merely by existing, I am harming the planet by using resources, and will no matter how much I reduce my impact. Yet I choose to continue living and accept some non-zero level of negative impact, and try to make things better overall. But it's so uncomfortable that people really don't like to go there.

DesertedPictures said...

@ August

I really hate it when people make comments without properly reading what the orginal writer's position is on a subject.

Which is exactly what I did. I'll be honest: I saw your post and thought 'that can't be right: you're leaving something he said out'. But in his scenario the friend (why would you want to hang that says something like that) brings up the gun. So, my apologies to JMG and for wasting everyones precious time. He did not say you should threaten people with shotguns if they just suggest coming to your house when disaster strikes.

I'll stand by the rest of my response though: I do think it's not helpfull saying to people that your door is closed when they get into the trouble they did not believe in before.

HalFiore said...

DesertedPictures:

Thank you for your articulate response. Your response to August Johnson also is to be speaks very well to your character.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I did notice that you qualified your post the first time I read it. I just thought that it was not quite fair to let that statement cover your alternative scenario, since that scenario was not in fact about the conversation, but about the hypothesized future event.

Not to worry. There is no doubt much on which we agree.

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