I'd meant to go straight on from last week’s post about
völkerwanderung
and the dissolution and birth of ethnic identities in dark age societies, and
start talking about the mechanisms by which societies destroy themselves—with
an eye, of course, to the present example. Still, as I’ve noted here more than
once, there are certain complexities involved in the project of discussing the
decline and fall of civilizations in a civilization that’s hard at work on its
own decline and fall, and one of those complexities is the way that tempting
examples of the process keep popping up as we go.
The last week or so has been unusually full of those. The
Ebola epidemic in West Africa has continued to spread at an exponential rate as
hopelessly underfunded attempts to contain it crumple, while the leaders of the
world’s industrial nations distract themselves playing geopolitics in blithe
disregard of the very real possibility that their inattention may be helping to
launch the next great global pandemic.
In other news—tip of the archdruidical hat here to The Daily
Impact—companies and investors who have been involved in the fracking
bubble are
quietly bailing out. If things continue on their current trajectory,
as I’ve noted before, this autumn could very well see the fracking boom go
bust; it’s anyone’s guess how heavily that will hit the global economy, but
fracking-related loans and investments have accounted for a sufficiently large
fraction of Wall Street profits in recent years that the crater left by a
fracking bust will likely be large and deep.
Regular readers of this blog already know, though, that it’s
most often the little things that catch my attention, and the subject of this
week’s post is no exception. Thus I’m pleased to announce that a coterie of
scientists and science fiction writers has figured out what’s wrong with the
world today: there are, ahem, too many negative portrayals of the future in
popular media. To counter this deluge of unwarranted pessimism, they’ve
organized a group called Project Hieroglyph, and published an anthology of
new, cheery, upbeat SF stories about marvelous new technologies that
could become realities within the next fifty years. That certainly ought to do
the trick!
Now of course I’m hardly in a position to discourage anyone
from putting together a science fiction anthology around an unpopular theme.
After
Oil: SF Visions of a Post-Petroleum Future, the anthology that
resulted from the
first Space Bats challenge here in 2011, is exactly that, and two
similar anthologies from this blog’s second
Space Bats challenge are going through the editing and publishing
process as I write these words. That said, I’d question the claim that those
three anthologies will somehow cause the planet’s oil reserves to run dry any
faster than they otherwise will.
The same sort of skepticism, I suggest, may be worth
applying to Project Hieroglyph and its anthology. The contemporary crisis of industrial society isn’t being
caused by a lack of optimism; its roots go deep into the tough subsoil of
geological and thermodynamic reality, to the lethal mismatch between fantasies
of endless economic growth and the hard limits of a finite planet, and to the
less immediately deadly but even more pervasive mismatch between fantasies of
perpetual technological progress and that nemesis of all linear thinking, the
law of diminishing returns. The failure
of optimism that these writers are bemoaning is a symptom rather than a cause,
and insisting that the way to solve our problems is to push optimistic notions
about the future at people is more than a little like deciding that the best
way to deal with flashing red warning lights on the control panel of an
airplane is to put little pieces of opaque green tape over them so everything
looks fine again.
It’s not as though there’s been a shortage of giddily
optimistic visions of a gizmocentric future in recent years, after all. I grant
that the most colorful works of imaginative fiction we’ve seen of late have
come from those economists and politicians who keep insisting that the only way
out of our current economic and social malaise is to do even more of the same
things that got us into it. That said, any of my readers who step into a
bookstore or a video store and look for something that features interstellar
travel or any of the other shibboleths of the contemporary cult of progress
won’t have to work hard to find one. What’s happened, rather, is that such
things are no longer as popular as they once were, because people find that
stories about bleaker futures hedged in with harsh limits are more to their
taste.
The question that needs to be asked, then, is why this
should be the case. As I see it, there are at least three very good reasons.
First, those bleaker futures and harsh limits reflect the
realities of life in contemporary America. Set aside the top twenty per cent of
the population by income, and Americans have on average seen their standard of
living slide steadily downhill for more than four decades. In 1970, to note
just one measure of how far things have gone, an American family with one
working class salary could afford to buy a house, pay all their bills on time,
put three square meals on the table every day, and still have enough left over
for the occasional vacation or high-ticket luxury item. Now? In much of today’s
America, a single working class salary isn’t enough to keep a family off the
streets.
That history of relentless economic decline has had a
massive impact on attitudes toward the future, toward science, and toward
technological progress. In 1969, it was only in the ghettos where America
confined its urban poor that any significant number of people responded to the
Apollo moon landing with the sort of disgusted alienation that Gil Scott-Heron
expressed memorably in his furious ballad “Whitey on the Moon.” Nowadays, a much greater number of
Americans—quite possibly a majority—see the latest ballyhooed achievements of
science and technology as just one more round of pointless stunts from which
they won’t benefit in the least.
It’s easy but inaccurate to insist that they’re mistaken in
that assessment. Outside the narrowing circle of the well-to-do, many Americans
these days spend more time coping with the problems caused by technologies than
they do enjoying the benefits thereof. Most of the jobs eliminated by
automation, after all, used to provide gainful employment for the poor; most of
the localities that are dumping grounds for toxic waste, similarly, are
inhabited by people toward the bottom of the socioeconomic pyramid, and so on
down the list of unintended consequences and technological blowback. By and
large, the benefits of new technology trickle up the social ladder, while the
costs and burdens trickle down; this has a lot to do with the fact that the
grandchildren of people who enjoyed The Jetsons now find
The Hunger Games more to their taste.
That’s the first reason. The second is that for decades now,
the great majority of the claims made about wonderful new technologies that
would inevitably become part of our lives in the next few decades have turned
out to be dead wrong. From jetpacks and flying cars to domed cities and
vacations on the Moon, from the nuclear power plants that would make
electricity too cheap to meter to the conquest of poverty, disease, and death
itself, most of the promises offered by the propagandists and publicists of
technological progress haven’t happened. That has understandably made people
noticeably less impressed by further rounds of promises that likely won’t come
true either.
When I was a child, if I may insert a personal reflection
here, one of my favorite books was titled You Will Go To The
Moon. I suspect most American of my generation remember that book,
however dimly, with its glossy portrayal of what space travel would be like in
the near future: the great conical rocket with its winged upper stage, the
white doughnut-shaped space station turning in orbit, and the rest of it. I
honestly expected to make that trip someday, and I was encouraged in that
belief by a chorus of authoritative voices for whom permanent space stations,
bases on the Moon, and a manned landing on Mars were a done deal by the year
2000.
Now of course in those days the United States still had a
manned space program capable of putting bootprints on the Moon. We
don’t have one of those any more. It’s worth talking about why that
is, because the same logic applies equally well to most of the other grand
technological projects that were proclaimed not so long ago as the inescapable
path to a shiny new future.
We don’t have a manned space program any more, to begin
with, because the United States is effectively bankrupt, having committed
itself in the usual manner to the sort of imperial overstretch chronicled by
Paul Kennedy in The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, and
cashed in its future for a temporary supremacy over most of the planet. That’s
the unmentionable subtext behind the disintegration of America’s infrastructure
and built environment, the gutting of its once-mighty industrial plant, and a
good deal of the steady decline in standards of living mentioned earlier in
this post. Britain dreamed about expansion into space when it still had an
empire—the British Interplanetary Society was a major presence in space-travel
advocacy in the first half of the twentieth century—and shelved those dreams
when its empire went away; the United States is in the process of the same
retreat. Still, there’s more going on here than this.
Another reason we don’t have a manned space program any more
is that all those decades of giddy rhetoric about New Worlds For Man never got
around to discussing the difference between technical feasibility and economic
viability. The promoters of space travel fell into the common trap of believing
their own hype, and convinced themselves that orbital factories, mines on the
Moon, and the like would surely turn out to be paying propositions. What they
forgot, of course, is what I’ve called the biosphere dividend: the vast array of goods and services that the
Earth’s natural cycles provide for human beings free of charge, which have to
be paid for anywhere else. The best current estimate for the value of that
dividend, from a 1997 paper in Science written by a team
headed by Richard Constanza, is that it’s something like three times the total
value of all goods and services produced by human beings.
As a very rough estimate, in other words, economic activity
anywhere in the solar system other than Earth will cost around four times what
it costs on Earth, even apart from transportation costs, because the services
provided here for free by the biosphere have to be paid for in space or on the
solar system’s other worlds. That’s why all the talk about space as a new
economic frontier went nowhere; orbital manufacturing was tried—the Skylab
program of the 1970s, the Space Shuttle, and the International Space Station in
its early days all featured experiments along those lines—and the modest
advantages of freefall and ready access to hard vacuum didn’t make enough of a
difference to offset the costs. Thus manned space travel, like commercial
supersonic aircraft, nuclear power plants, and plenty of other erstwhile waves
of the future, turned into a gargantuan white elephant that could only be
supported so long as massive and continuing government subsidies were
forthcoming.
Those are two of the reasons why we don’t have a manned
space program any more. The third is less tangible but, I suspect, far and away
the most important. It can be tracked by picking up any illustrated book about
the solar system that was written before we got there, and comparing what outer
space and other worlds were supposed to look like with what was actually waiting
for our landers and probes.
I have in front of me right now, for example, a painting of
a scene on the Moon in a book published the year I was born. It’s a gorgeous,
romantic view. Blue earthlight splashes over a crater in the foreground;
further off, needle-sharp mountains catch the sunlight; the sky is full of
brilliant stars. Too bad that’s not what the Apollo astronauts found when they
got there. Nobody told the Moon it was supposed to cater to human notions of
scenic grandeur, and so it presented its visitors with vistas of dull gray
hillocks and empty plains beneath a flat black sky. To anybody but a
selenologist, the one thing worth attention in that dreary scene was the
glowing blue sphere of Earth 240,000 miles away.
For an even stronger contrast, consider the pictures beamed
back by the first Viking probe from the surface of Mars in 1976, and compare
that to the gaudy images of the Sun’s fourth planet that were in circulation in
popular culture up to that time. I remember the event tolerably well, and one
of the things I remember most clearly is the pervasive sense of
disappointment—of “is that all?”—shared by everyone in the room. The images from the lander didn’t look like
Barsoom, or the arid but gorgeous setting of Ray Bradbury’s The Martian
Chronicles, or any of the other visions of Mars everyone in 1970s
America had tucked away in their brains; they looked for all of either world
like an unusually dull corner of Nevada that had somehow been denuded of air,
water, and life.
Here again, the proponents of space travel fell into the
trap of believing their own hype, and forgot that science fiction is no more
about real futures than romance novels are about real relationships. That isn’t
a criticism of science fiction, by the way, though I suspect the members of
Project Hieroglyph will take it as one. Science fiction is a literature of
ideas, not of crass realities, and it evokes the sense of wonder that is its
distinctive literary effect by dissolving the barrier between the realistic and
the fantastic. What too often got forgotten, though, is that literary effects
don’t guarantee the validity of prophecies—they’re far more likely to hide the
flaws of improbable claims behind a haze of emotion.
Romance writers don’t seem to have much trouble recognizing
that their novels are not about the real world. Science fiction, by contrast,
has suffered from an overdeveloped sense of its own importance for many years
now. I’m thinking just now of a typical essay by Isaac Asimov that described
science fiction writers as scouts for the onward march of humanity. (Note the
presuppositions that humanity is going somewhere, that all of it’s going in a
single direction, and that this direction just happens to be defined by the
literary tastes of an eccentric subcategory of 20th century popular fiction.)
That sort of thinking led too many people in the midst of the postwar boom to
forget that the universe is under no obligation to conform to our wholly
anthropocentric notions of human destiny and provide us with New Worlds for Man
just because we happen to want some.
Mutatis mutandis, that’s what happened to
most of the other grand visions of transformative technological progress that
were proclaimed so enthusiastically over the last century or so. Most of them
never happened, and those that did turned out to be far less thrilling and far
more problematic than the advance billing insisted they would be. Faced with
that repeated realization, a great many Americans decided—and not without
reason—that more of the same gosh-wow claims were not of interest. That shifted
public taste away from cozy optimism toward a harsher take on our future.
The third factor driving that shift in taste, though, may be
the most important of all, and it’s also one of the most comprehensively
tabooed subjects in contemporary life. Most human phenomena are subject to the
law of diminishing returns; the lesson that contemporary industrial societies
are trying their level best not to learn just now is that technological progress
is one of the phenomena to which this law applies. Thus there can be such a
thing as too much technology, and a very strong case can be made that in the
world’s industrial nations, we’ve already gotten well past that point.
In a
typically cogent article, economist Herman Daly sorts our the law of
diminishing returns into three interacting processes. The first is
diminishing marginal utility—that is, the more of anything
you have, the less any additional increment of that thing contributes to your
wellbeing. If you’re hungry, one sandwich is a very good thing; two is
pleasant; three is a luxury; and somewhere beyond that, when you’ve given
sandwiches to all your coworkers, the local street people, and anyone else you
can find, more sandwiches stop being any use to you. When more of anything no longers bring any additional benefit,
you’ve reached the point of futility, at which further increments are a waste
of time and resources.
Well before that happens, though, two other factors come
into play. First, it costs you almost nothing to cope with one sandwich, and
very little more to cope with two or three. After that you start having to
invest time, and quite possibly resources, in dealing with all those
sandwiches, and each additional sandwich adds to the total burden. Economists
call that increasing marginal disutility—that is, the more
of anything you have, the more any additional increment of that thing is going
to cost you, in one way or another. Somewhere in there, too, there’s the impact
that dealing with those sandwiches has on your ability to deal with other
things you need to do; that’s increasing risk of whole-system
disruption—the more of anything you have, the more likely it is that
an additional increment of that thing is going to disrupt the wider system in
which you exist.
Next to nobody wants to talk about the way that
technological progress has already passed the point of diminishing returns:
that the marginal utility of each new round of technology is dropping fast, the
marginal disutility is rising at least as fast, and whole-system disruptions
driven by technology are becoming an inescapable presence in everyday life.
Still, I’ve come to think that an uncomfortable awareness of that fact is
becoming increasingly common these days, however subliminal that awareness may
be, and beginning to have an popular culture among many other things. If you’re
in a hole, as the saying goes, the first thing to do is stop digging; if a
large and growing fraction of your society’s problems are being caused by too
much technology applied with too little caution, similarly, it’s not exactly
helpful to insist that applying even more technology with even less skepticism
about its consequences is the only possible answer to those problems.
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@Robert Mathiesen--One of the benefits of industrial civilization is that it has made music from everywhere accessible to a great many people. Jazz musicians and audiences for jazz can be found on all continents.
I have the impression that Japan is producing good classical violinists. While the audience for Western classical music has steadily dwindled in the US owing to the lack of musical education in public schools, audiences seem to be growing in parts of Asia, where that music is taught.
If the works of Bach and Beethoven utterly disappear from human ken, I think it will be because of lack of resources, not lack of appreciation.
@Avery
Ahem, no. I am from Romania, my country is overwhelmingly Christian Orthodox, and I can assure you that the whole "God created the Earth for the use of man" thing is very widespread here as well.
@Ed-M: And to whom local residents of places like Rotherham resort to, when the official police forces loose all credibilty in their eyes? They probably turn to most organized group capable to use violence as deterrent against outsiders found in their local community. In large parts of Europe, among lower spectrum of society, it's football firms that fit that description.
Out of this kind local, almost feudal deals are born hybrids of criminal gang, paramilitary organization and football firms that seem to be as alien for upper-middle class world view as they are common in today's bestial, modern world. Strange neo-medieval formlessness describes these new ways of organizing protection rackets every human society has had from beginning of times. During heyday of Western civilization protection racket was answered by official police alone. Now this is not the case anymore, even in blue-collar suburbia of so-called First World nations of Europe. People WANT to be protected; other option is to be helpless prey for predators like sexual offender gang in Rotherham. Given some time, the call shall be answered. That has been my point from early on. Look at the hooligan/criminal gangs of today, and you see protectors and taxmen of their respective communities of tomorrow. Any Green Wizard working inside these communities must have working relationship to these kind of guys, or pay the price. Just saying the obvious aloud.
@Robert: You seem to get what I tried to say, even if my prediction for the endgame differs from yours.
Dear ArchDruid, "An astonishingly large fraction of the basic experiments that undergird whole sections of modern science have turned out to be impossible to replicate..." Please could you be more specific as to which experiments you refer? I may be able to shed some light on this. My suspicion is that the general anti-science bias in large sections of the USA may have coloured perceptions; but I'd like to study this a little more deeply before exploding like a catherine wheel... It is an interesting statement from a sociological poit of view at least.
Hi Deborah,
I hear you. Oh yeah, maths, what a nightmare...
The funny thing is that with a lot of the complex systems here it becomes necessary to sort of, well, try things out and see how they go rather than building in expectations about those systems in the first place. It becomes a bit more art than science.
I originally approached the systems here by: listening to the claims; and then expecting the results. But the results somehow always failed to materialise. It was disappointing, so taking the different approach yielded better results here.
I strongly suspect that with complex systems, you can only ever implement and then watch and observe - plus hope for the best!
Cheers
Chris
Hi Cathy,
They talk about the working poor over here too. Yes, I'm friends with people who are in the top 5% of income earners in this country and they think that they are hard done by.
Their perception becomes their reality...
It really is hard to even discuss those matters with them. Really hard.
Cheers
Chris
Dear ArchDruid, I'd like to comment on the solar flare fear/dismissal on this thread. The Carrington event was a top of the range solar flare complex that delivered multiple coronal mass ejections one after the other at short intervals, in the right direction to impact Earth's magnetic field with severity. It is a rare event, of the order of 1/century, of that magnitude. There haven't been enough events to pin down the statistics. Lesser events occur more frequently, up to several per year. We don't really notice these except as displays of the aurora.
The threat (frequency) of such disruptive events is low. The risk (cost/damage resulting from such an event) is very high. The product threat x risk gives an idea of the insurance premium to cover such an event. If the premium is too high to contemplate, it is time to install preventative measures that cost less. I am pretty sure that power companies in at risk areas have been quietly installing suitable fuses and overload bypasses as part of normal maintenance, probably under pressure from the large reinsurers, who do not want to carry such a high level of risk. I am also sure that not all companies are doing really enough. If another Carrington event hits, then there will be massive disruption in some areas. The difference between us and the Victorians is our higher level of use of mains electricity grids - hence the very high risk of deep disruption, and the disquiet of some (in this case) savvier politicians (even if it is a fancy bandwagon). The wikipedia article is actually quite good, and contains a link to Carrington's original paper, which is well worth the read.
@JMG: Here's a graph allegedly showing why renewables *are* capable of powering society. What do you think of it? (NOTE: It's from Scientific American.
@Robert,
I was aware that the religious, cultural, and ethnic lines between East and West didn't exactly conform. Thanks for the clarification.
Regarding Russia and Europe, if I might bring it back to JMG'S idea of catabolic collapse in relation to the collapse of industrial civilization, the 1st stage of collapse will be scarcity industrialism, where access to resources predicates power. Russia is presumed to be a rising power of scarcity industrialism. I think it's reasonable to assume that Russia could put a floor under this stage of collapse for Europe, in the same way that the U.S., and, to a lesser extent, the USSR, provided a floor for Europe in the mid 20th century. It won't negate the very real effects of collapse on Europe, just as a look back at the late 20th century can't deny a very real loss of power for Europe relative to the beginning of the 20th century. To me, this just validates JMG'S theory of stair step collapse, followed by a break at a lower level. The only other option, which is a very real possibility, is for Europe to continue to twist in the wind without Russian intervention until it reaches an even lower equilibrium.
I had a very encouraging conversation with a coworker yesterday about the damaging effects of electronic devices, and she was telling me how she prevents here 3 year old daughter from using screens, and how she notices how much more creative her daughter is compared to her screen using nieces. It's really encouraging to see this meme spread among the mainstream, and anything I can do to spread it, I will. Hopefully, "big silicon" can be regarded the same way that "big tobacco" and" big oil" are. Speaking of which, I find it interesting that tobacco companies are demonized for practices that are basically universal among large corporations. There must be something that our collective demonization of the "evil weed" says about our inaction and apathy regarding the very same practices across the board in corporate culture. The more we demonize tobacco, the more corporate corruption metastasizes in all other industries.
I've been reflecting personally on tribalism regarding the discussions with Juhana, and thinking of rising tensions here in the U.S., and my own personal path, and I realize that I'm definitely in the non-participant, monastic, withdraw camp. I'm certainly no pacifist, and I realize that the relative peace here in the developed world is bought at a price of violence in the third world that will definitely come back soon enough, but, personally, I would run from or withdraw rather than run to such violence.
@ Avery
The idea that earth is Satan's playground is alive and we'll among evangelicals in America. The idea that Satan has free reign on earth to tempt believers is nothing out of the ordinary for Christianity.
Ycamtsu (ya-ca-mutts)
Speaking of the cult of progress, it has mostly moved to gaming platforms such as the x-box and the playstation. A new game was recently released called Destiny that allows people to log onto a world and fight aliens on the moon, Mars, Venus, and earth. Paul McCartney was hired to do the theme and...well have a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9-5Bu9XRN4
I can't stop laughing.
Cherokee Chris, my husband and I won't get suckered into taking the lump sum and running, but I fear that many will. In fact I have a story idea germinating around that possibility, and what it might mean in the midst of decline. Considering how many people who have or might receive such offers are in debt, on their houses and/or elsewhere, or out of a job and unable to find another, I can see them jumping for the lump sum to pay off their underwater mortgages or other debt or to fund a new business venture. It might work for some but in this consumer-driven nation, I can easily see people losing the lump sum to enticing goodies. Then what happens when they can longer work for pay and have no savings and no skills to live through decline?
(cont.)@JMG:
However, Orion's Arm is a universe with problems ,such as:
-chattel slavery
-amoral planet-vaporizing cybergods
- chaotic messes resulting from technology, such as The Nanoswarm, a grey goo horde that destroyed the Martian and Venusian colonies in 2500
- A HELLGOD KITTY!
-trillions of people getting killed in epic interstellar wars
-a mind-consuming AI monster known as the Almgalmation
...and so on
@ Juhana
I have no doubt we'll have to pay some local mafia for protection, and not ask too many questions about what they do to keep us safe. Same as you don't ask questions about what goes on at the sausage factory. But is that any different than the way 1st world countries turn a blind eye to what goes on in 3rd world countries to maintain our standard of living? In my eyes, it'll just be another relocalization, the relocalization of violence that has been offshored by globalization. I guess the same thing could be said about animal slaughter in the industrial system. Certainly a reminder that the real world isn't a Pollyanna-ish place.
@JMG: It's sad how SF has degenerated into a pile of airbrushed optimistic nonsense. One particularly laughable example would be Orion's Arm(OA), a transhumanist universe in the words of one OA member, where people "are tremendously more capable than you or I, are immortal, have access to literally planetary masses worth of information, asteroidal masses of material, and energy levels that dwarf the output of our entire RL civilization, are the products of an education system vastly superior to even the best in RL (multiple PHd equivalents are essentially just routine education by 12,000 CE standards), and have literally hundreds of billions of physical places and around 1e20 virtual universes to explore, hundreds of quadrillions of beings to potentially meet, millions of potential bodies to wear/be, and so on." Such cornucopian nonsense! Its sheer silliness was a reason why I left OA for here
@ Phil Knight
If there are those who forecast a cosy future for Europe, either in the near term or further on, I have not come across them. I hope anyway you do not include me in that group. Deals will be done however, and settlements made for both good and ill, I daresay.
Britain? Scotland is not Ireland and the Union never successfully included Ireland.
My guess is that Scotland would not be having a referendum now if there was any perceived existential threat to Britain. Under conditions even remotely like say 1939, Scotland would stay with the Union. I could be wrong of course. I love the place - I worked and felt welcome and at home in Scotland for more than 27 years.
Given enough time and enough major decline in our civilisation, of course who knows what civic and public structures and culture will survive. There is still a while to go in my opinion though I am sure sudden events will overtake us from time to time. JMG has talked of a world of hurt for Britain when America goes down. I would not deny that.
best
Phil
PS Late Middle Ages still saw a lot of connection with the Continent. Modern nations with larger populations than Britain were emerging and beginning to think of Empire, but the boundaries were fluid and much contested. And I was thinking of Henry V and Agincourt; and Henry Tudor (and his mother) popping over for a well-judged gamble in England, and his son's later less well-judged gambles with aspirations for assets back across the Channel. Last year we remembered the battle of Flodden (2 mile from where I write); the 500th anniversary of the occasion when Scotland tried to make something of Henry's overstretch in France. Berwick still has the massive fortification subsequently put in at vast expense by both Henry VIII and Elizabeth for strategic reasons.
Thank you, Juhana. I am a retired academic, a philologist specializing in the Orthodox Slavic Middle Ages, and Danish-American by ethnicity. So pretty much everything you have posted to the ADR seems right on target to me as an academic well acquainted with the deep history of that part of Europe.
But also we have always had a similar sort of world here in Providence, Rhode Island (in New England), where my wife and I moved from California in 1967. When we arrived, the city of Providence was about 95% Roman Catholic, divided among several ethnic groups, chief among which were the Irish and the Italian. Earlier the Irish had been the dominant ethnicity, but by 1967 the Italians had assumed the dominant position in the city and state governments.
Among the Italians there was a clandestine organization, headed by a most impressive man, Raymond Loredo Salavtore Patriarca Sr. (1908-1984). Although he had served time in prison, he died a free man. You can read about him on Wikipedia.
This history is merely background to a comment collected by a reporter from an elderly Italian resident for the Providence Journal-Bulletin article about Mr. Patriarca on the occasion of his death. She said (I quote only from memory), "I don;t know why the Police a;ways gave Mr. Patriarca such a hard time. He was a real gentleman. He stopped his car for people crossing the street. He tipped his hat to old ladies. If some people was giving you a hard time, he had them killed for you. He took good care of his own."
So I, a retired professor at an Ivy League University, have lived cheek-by-jowl with a world rather like the one Juhana describes, only here in New England since 1967. That is also why all his posts makes perfect sense to me. My university, and the students and faculty who belong to it, live largely in a sort of bubble insulated from this "other," more real, city of Providence. Since my own grandparents were completely successful professional criminals for about a decade and a half in the San Francisco Bay Area back around the 1920s, the world outside this bubble here in Providence never seemed as alien, or as shocking, to me as it did to my academic colleagues. I guess I am a realist about such things, not an idealist.
Re. teaching math using technology-
As a fellow math educator (actually a teacher educator), I'm afraid I have to disagree with our host and mathprof regarding the use of electronic tools which can quickly help students visualize complex mathematics. Of course students and teachers shouldn't over-rely on these tools, of course they must also be able to generate representations of the topics themselves (yes, with pencil and paper, or scissors and crayon, or stylus and clay tablet if you like- all good!), but as long as these tools are available, they can profitably be used to help all students, including those like Deborah Bender, to grasp how math behaves. Just one tool in the toolbox, mind you! But the solid understanding of mathematics is dependent on the student being able to generate and connect and manipulate multiple types of representations of the content. Teachers who can support all different kinds of explorations of the content can help students understand the patterns and make sense of the whys, starting at a very young age. Deborah and Cherokee, it pains me to hear people write themselves off as "not math people", because I believe that with teaching that focused more clearly on the conceptual underpinnings (including lots of different representations) instead of the single focus on the performance of procedures that is sadly typical of many math classrooms (because of course that is how most math teachers were themselves taught!), everyone could gain the deep understanding that Deborah missed in more abstract, upper level math. Digital representations that students can manipulate can be strongly supportive of that development. I won't narrow my selection of tools to use with students until I have to.
Juhana -- I'm not sure how these matters are structured in most EU member nations, but here in the U.S. we have hierarchically organized law enforcement. On a routine day-to-day basis, away from airports and international borders, we do not see much presence of Federal law enforcement and we do not have any real civilian national police force. The federal law enforcement tends to be charged with specific legal areas, such as Customs and Immigration and the Drug Enforcement Agency. Most routine law enforcement is done by the State officers (called Troupers everywhere but Texas, where they are Rangers), and by county and city police. As centralized government erodes and law enforcement becomes more localized, I expect here in the U.S. we will see official power simply move down the levels of this hierarchy. We already have the county sheriffs and city police systems in place, eager and willing to assume more power in the absence of strong central government. Even where organized crime is firmly established, the crime bosses and police will likely merge together. I think we will see the rise of civilian militias and warlords that are at least superficially working within the existing local law enforcement structure in mot places.
Not that this can't be just as abusive as any other system, but it could happen in a relatively smooth transition from the present-day situation without revolutionary upheaval.
(Deborah Bender)
Three links:
The first is an economic analysis of the build out of renewable energy sources for electricity generation. The focus is on Germany and the U.S., but other countries are mentioned.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/science/earth/sun-and-wind-alter-german-landscape-leaving-utilities-behind.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0
Some of the comments here this week have revisited what it costs in resources to maintain existing infrastructure. The 9/12/14 edition of my town's newsletter features a history of the building and additions to San Anselmo's first fire station. It was erected in 1915 to house one horse-drawn engine, stables, the crew and their equipment. It's sobering to read what level of infrastructure was required to support that level of service. San Anselmo in 1915 was, as it is today, a suburb of San Francisco, and had a passenger rail line running a few blocks from the fire station.
http://www.townofsananselmo.org/Archive.aspx?AMID=52&Type=Recent
This one's just for fun. It's a compilation of recent confirmed sightings of wild megafauna (black bears, mountain lions, and boar) as well as coyotes, foxes and bobcats, in residential parts of the San Jose/San Francisco/Oakland metro area. The black bear was spotted about seven miles from where I live. Yard deer are nothing special in Marin, so they aren't mentioned in the article.
http://blog.sfgate.com/stienstra/2014/09/13/theres-a-mountain-lion-looking-in-my-window-pics/#26658101=0
@Avery....
There are different branches of Gnosticism, and, while some held to the radical dualism more commonly seen in Christian circles, there were other branches/groups that saw it differently. It greatly overly simplifies a complex and widely varied movement (that covered a couple of centuries) to state "they believed that the world was created by Satan", which sounds like it came out of some Christian-worldview book that defines every other religion by its own carefully-constructed yardstick.
I find it interesting that you are concerned about heresies, but are here on a blog written by an Archdruid, someone who most certainly would have been silenced by the Orthodox church in the past (if not also currently).
Religion and religious opinions are a very divisive topic. What is "heresy" to one person is sacred to another, and much of the hideous violence committed by Christians over the centuries has been justified by simply claiming the others were "heretics" or "heathens" (one step up, it seems, from heretics).
I'm sure I would be considered a heretic by any Christian yardstick and find some of what I've read about Gnosticism to be both enlightening and certainly not dangerous (not any more so than any other religion anyway).
The point being: there are a lot of religious stripes worn by the community of this blog. If you're going to state your opinion as Truth and declare something a "heresy", understand it's not going to go over well with at least some of us.
Bill Pulliam - Why the recent interest in space weather (solar flares, CMEs, etc.)? My interest was piqued with a cover-story article on Feb. 2012 IEEE Spectrum by John Kappenman. (IEEE = Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers, a world-wide professional society) The article describes historical grid damage due to CMEs, and extrapolates to the kind of damage that would result if a repeat of the Carrington Event were to occur. It also proposes a long-term solution, which requires investment by the utility companies.
There are several plausible reactions to story.
1> Article, what article? If it's not on TV, it doesn't count.
2> OK, so spend the money (raise the rates) to implement the fix.
3> Oh, it's just a scare-mongering sales pitch.
4> Cite it as a mental device to highlight our dependence on the electrical grid. (my personal favorite, because it brings some of the impacts of slow decline into a more immediate focus)
Furthermore, NASA has spacecraft monitoring the sun to provide early warning of incoming CMEs. Of course, these spacecraft need budgetary support for operations and development of successors, so it's in the interest of NASA and their contractors to emphasize their Importance to the Nation.
Personally, I think that grid operators could protect their equipment by opening the circuit breakers when they sense the development of dangerous ground-induced currents, but that assumes that they are paying attention. Having warnings from NASA can help.
Then again, it's always been a thrill to see the northern lights, so I'm happy to keep an eye on the night sky when alerted to the possibility.
Myriad asked a kind of vague question about the ethnicity (I think) of superheroes. The original superhero is Superman, and I've heard a convincing tale that he is inspired by the experience of Jewish immigrants in America. The fantasy perspective of being "secretly superior, while hiding modestly in plain sight" seems plausible. (There are hints of this in the Wikipedia article on Superman.)
Moshe Braner - regarding algae-synthesized oil, the big problem as I understand it is the unfortunate fact that the oil must be released from the algae cells that it's grown in, and then it must be separated from the water that the algae is grown in. And all this separating must be done with less energy than the oil will provide.
Just for the record, I don't believe the phrase "This world is the devil's playground" refers to nature. Rather, it refers to human society, and in that case, is a pretty good summation of things.
Readers of TAR will enjoy the latest from Umair Haque:
The Rupture
@Robert: I understand what you mean. Majority of my reservation towards Western liberals comes from the fact that they live inside artificial bubble, and if you challenge their semi-religious opinions about how world works with logic, they just stigmatize you with some meaningless slur world.
I come originally from rural background, after that working over decade as welder/technician in steel industry doing also journeyman commands around the world, working on those commands side by side with local blue-collar guys. So I actually had very wide experience about real world, glimpses into fears and hopes of ordinary people, when I finally went to university.
Being in university practically crashed it's credibility in my eyes. Especially students from Humanist faculties tended to be quite dogmatic in their righteousness. I had surreal conversations in student circles: after describing how black working man in SA had revealed his world view to be, humanist female was denouncing said things with shrill voice as anti-PC. So she was actually accusing Xhosa tribesman was not seeing world as "opressed Third Worlders liberated from Evil White Men (tm)" should see it according her PC-religion. Apparently Xhosa workers should not feel reluctant for Herero immigrant workers moving to their hood, and there should not be vicious ethnic clashes between newcomers and more established tribes. Unfortunately for her PC-views, in real world that is exactly what is happening.
So I got my degree and impression that decade as journeyman had teached me more about sociology and history than those dandies will ever learn, even if they read thousands and thousands of books about how things SHOULD be.
@Bill: Then there is some fundamental differences between your locality and some ares I have seen or heard of. For a moment, reflect for a moment nature of fighting forces in Ukraine. It's by the way not the only possible example, but said conflict's media coverage is higher than with most other same kind of conflicts:
Mobilization order that was given after East Ukrainian uprising by Ukraine government failed repeatedly. Conscripts just didn't show up when they were called in. Those who showed up were not too eager to fight. So in the beginning of East Ukrainian conflict performance of official Ukrainian army was abysmal. In March government gave order about formation of volunteer citizen militia. Nucleus of this militia came from ultras of Kiev Dynamo football firm, and from other football firms from that side of tribal divide. They gave whole different spark into the conflict, their fighting spirit and prowess has been very high. On the other side of the divide, local volunteers and volunteers aboard from Russophile places like Serbia showed up also, with equal fervor. Many of them have also been heavily involved in modern tribalism, expressed publicly around football arenas, before joining Ukrainian conflict as volunteer warriors.
Typical confrontation in this new type of war was played out at 2.5.2014 in the East Ukraine, as 42 demonstrators supporting East Ukrainian independence were killed. There was clash between demonstrators and football ultras from West Ukraine. Demonstrators were forced to retreat into trades union-building, which was burned down, not allowing people to come out from the building. I am not saying that any side has all the blame, by the way. On the other side of the fence there has also been atrocities. I am not taking sides in conflict that does not belong to me. But this kind of very messy confrontations seem to be common in this kind of identity conflicts. Ask from person from Northern Ireland who is over 40 years old, and you probably get better English description of what I am trying to describe with my abysmally inadequate English skills.
What I try to say here is that volunteer militias only loosely governed by official government have been actually most efficient forces in many recent conflicts. From time to time it seems that fighting formations like Donbass batallion are totally out of official government control.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas_Battalion
Official army has been quite apathetic and has not achieved a lot. On both sides paramilitary elements have been most efficient of fighting forces. Former football ultras form nucleus of these paramilitary elements, probably on both sides. With this trajectory, modern tribalism has moved to the world stage politics.
I believe this is the face of future wars in general, because almost all wars are currently insurgency wars. They are not won by official armies, if they don't resort to Mongol tactics. The political price would be too high, so more and more power in actual battle field reverts into hands of modern day tribal militias. As this trend accelerates in many areas around the world, there shall be huge tracts of land where actual, real policing power is in the hands of semi-official paramilitaries, responding at best half-heartedly to demands from central, "official" government.
Hi JMG and everyone,
There's a new blog entry for the farm here: On top of the world.
Hope you all enjoy it. All the usual stuff plus some cool photos including baby wombat ambling up the driveway after spooking me out last night!
Hi SLClaire,
I thought that you'd be too smart to fall for that, but felt that it was worth mentioning for the benefit of others.
You know, I wonder about that issue too as it is not enough financially just to be out of debt. Also, there are ongoing costs to the infrastructure which we install around ourselves.
I've read that people that win the lottery or other large sums often lose them within a short period of time. This analogy is often quite close to our own societies jackpot find in relation to fossil fuels. Just sayin...
Cheers
Chris
@Janet D
I'm not actually sure what you are trying to say here? I was responding to Ed-M's comment about heresies with my own comment about heresies. Were you offended by this? I'm just getting a sense of cold prickly emotions here.
Similarly, the other comments didn't actually get at why gnosticism became a heresy, why it really is dangerous, and how the modern project threatens to bring it back. I could attempt to explain it at length, but it seems this is a hostile audience, so instead I'm going to refer anyone interested to Hans Blumenberg's book The Legitimacy of the Modern Age.
@ Phil Knight
Phil
Sorry if my reply of yesterday re: Scotland and EU came over as an attempt to refute your conjectures. There is a danger I was talkng past you.
Violence and disorder as you say might be 'on the cards', but I am uncertain of the time scales, particularly if, or when, as you put it, "... Britain goes down the plughole". I take a view of 'punctuated equilibrium' down a ragged decline.
I am not sanguine about EU and NATO behaviour and rhetoric in Eastern Europe, which in my view is part of longer term strategy where 'we' have been playing very dangerous games in Ukraine for most of 10 years. The possiblity of civil war in Ukraine was recognised in NATO circles by 2008, and the possibility of forcing a Russian intervention seems to have been an actively entertained ploy.
We will see I guess. The conflict with Russia mostly seems to derive from USA foreign policy - as our host opined a few weeks back.
best
Phil
Shane Wilson, Long overdue legalization of hemp would give Southern tobacco farmers a viable crop to replace tobacco.
Janet D., Do you know of a comprehensive history of Gnosticism available in English? Sorry, I am afraid I do not respect the work of Elaine Pagels.
Thanks for the link. I hadn't read that before. Much of what was written there spoke to me. I in fact once had an argument with a Communist who was quite adamant on the idea that Communism will prevail because "Capitalism will die and something has to replace it". As if our only choices were Communism or Capitalism.... And yes, you are quite that it's taboo to mention the similarity between religion and these techno fetishists. A close friend of mine is a "transhumanist", and oh boy does it play a very religious role for her in her life. We had a talk last night and the topic of death came up again. She's quite adamantly opposed to dying and believes one day she'll be a cyborg god (really). Anyway, long conversation short, I mentioned how despite how much she didn't want to die, she'd probably end up dying anyway. And she literally said "oh don't worry, they'll think of something". Thought you'd appreciate that ;)
@Avery,
Errrrr... No. Again, the dominant memes concerning Nature are that (1) the natural realm was created for man's benefit, (2) the Earth is the Devil's playground, and (3) the Earth and all that there is therein are reserved to be consumed with fire.
The first meme is in Genesis: "be fruitful and multiply, and have dominion over the Earth," "I have given you every creature for food." The second meme is in one of the Pauline Epistles (1 Corinthians or Philippians): Satan is "the Prince of the Power of the Air," air, of course, is the atmosphere; and also in the Gospels where the Devil shows Jesus all the kingdoms of the world, saying, "All these are mine if you will only bow down and worship me." The third meme is in Mark 13 / Matthew 24 / Luke 21 (baby Apocalypse), 2 Thessalonians, Revelation (note a new Heaven and a new Earth in chapter 21), and of course, 2 Peter: "The heavens shall disappear with a roar, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. And the Earth and all the works therein shall be burnt [or dissolved] with fire."
@Juhana,
Thank you. Here in the US, I perceive that the groups with the strongest sense of we, and either do or will soon protect their own are poor African-Americans, poor Latinos, and believe it or not, Law Enforcement. The recent events in Ferguson, Missouri, showed Law Enforcement in a most unflattering light: they showed up in force with more military equipment than US Troops squads in Iraq, they tended to stay clustered together, and when compared to the local citizenry, displayed a very heavy reliance on technology.
And that ties into JMG's theme of the week: what will happen to the LEOs when the technology they rely upon is no longer operative, probably due to lack of power or fuel?
@Phil Harris
Well, I live in the Cambridgeshire Fens, once Oliver Cromwell's stamping ground, now the very epicentre of UKIP territory.
It's amazing how little people change....
@latheChuck, I wasn't talking about ethnicity, nor specifically about superheroes. Though that interpretation of Superman is one of the more interesting ones. You might be interested in the novel The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay by Michael Chabon, which explores that psychological territory in considerable (though fictionalized) detail.
My point was much simpler, questioning the interpretation of brainy SF protagonists with elite training as part of a political agenda to subjugate us all to scientific expertise. I was merely pointing out that far vaster legions of protagonists with highly developed physical skills (cowboy marksmen, swashbuckling rogues, commandos, martial arts masters, sports stars, etc.) and comparably elite training don't appear to attract comparable resentment or suspicion. Everybody likes a jock better than a nerd, I suppose.
@SLClaire,
Of course everybody must do what they think is best, but I'd urge you to reconsider the option of the big lump of money.
IF I understand correctly, your husband's pension comes from a private corporation, not the government. You might want to consider what is the expectation that this entity continues to exist 5 or 10 years from now.
There is also the question of whether there will be any capital left to make good on the passives by the time this entity goes under. The puppet masters in the upper echelons are well versed in the fine art of shelling out and sucking value out of organizations while those maintain the appearance of solvency.
Of course, wasting that one time payment in a big party will do you no good at all. But maybe an investment in valuable skills, non obvious capital items, and a small war chest for rainy days can take you a long way.
At the very least, consult a lawyer or accountant to estimate what is the expected value you can realistically hope to extract from the "for life" pension.
@Avery.
I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't understand why you think Gnosticism is such a threat (especially when compared to much more common, urgent & violent happenings on this planet) and in looking at the summaries/reviews of the book you suggested, I'm still not getting it. (I haven't read the book, but it appears the author wants to place the blame for everything modern on the shoulders of Gnosticism in 728 pages).
I'm not sure what you mean by "the modern project". It doesn't much matter, however, because the discussion for you & I to understand each other is impossible on the Internet and will quickly become a tangent to this blog.
I support you in coming here and in posting here, but I always get a little tweaked when someone posts a strong opinion (declaring something "a heresy" is a strong opinion, BTW) and then complains that the audience is hostile when said audience subjects the claim to criticism / critical thought. It's not 'hostile' - it's challenging you to defend your claim(s) and opinion(s) in the light of others' conflicting opinions and experiences.
Enough said for now.
Peace.
@Wizzrobes: Tell your transhumanist friend that even if she 'ascends' to cybergodhood, she'll ultimately be forgotten and give her this story about a cybergod that died.
Juhana, it seems that we have share much the same reservation toward Western liberals and Liberalism, and for much the same reasons.
My family background was not rural, but from the very lowest strata of urban poor in the San Francisco Bay Area. My parents rode the rising tide of cheap energy during the first half of the 20th century and had become fairly comfortable members of the middle class by the time I was old enough for college, but they both had been born into such extreme poverty that a Christmas present of a single ordinary pencil was a truly memorable event. And they never managed to rise above their early lower-class consciousess in their own minds.
Though I worked as a professor at a major University, and I place enormous value on the impartial, scholarly pursuit of truth, my University itself always seemed to me to be an enormous exercise in con-artistry. And most of the con-artists there -- faculty and administrators alike -- appeared to have bought into their own cons and come to believe in them against all evidence to the contrary. (This is a fatal mistake for a con-artist!). I stayed there largely for the many advantages that it brought me and my family. Also, there was a worthy minority of faculty who shared my own values as a scholar, and/or shared my "realist" take on the world outside the academic bubble, a world concerned with bare survival, not with ideology. I stayed there, but I never "belonged" ...
@Nastarana.
I concur with your opinion of Elaine Pagels. Too much ideology disguised as "research".
It's been years since I last read about Gnosticism. I found it difficult to really grasp (as in, "what is it, really?"), and it is difficult to find an author whose bias does not influence the review of the material. You state you are seeking a history. Back when I was delving into Gnosticism (in a church, no less), a number of people in the study group liked "Gnosis: The Nature & History of Gnosticism" (just looked it up on Amazon...looks good there, too).
I read (& can recommend) "Forbidden Faith: The Secret History of Gnosticism" by Richard Smoley. It does trace the history of G., but it's not a straight history (kind of depends on what you are looking for).
I also recommend at least a perusal of "The Nag Hammadi Scriptures", edited by Marvin Meyer (skip the intro by Pagels), although I'll let you know that I did not make it all the way through the book. Nonetheless, it's good to see the source(s).
You might also check out the book recommendations on the site/source www.Gnosis.org (which has a pretty good summary of Gnostic beliefs in itself).
HTH.
Ed,
Genesis does not say I have given you every creature for food. It says plants, fruits and seeds.
I don't entirely share your objections to some of your other quotes. If there are entities which are not embodied, they might easily be described as occupying the air. Likewise, if there is/are nefarious ones, they might be involved in human affairs and want very much to have humans through which to act out their schemes, as in giving power to a would-be king.
None of that means the earth is bad, nor does the Bible ever say so.
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As for gnostics, I'd say they are to Christianity what Sufism is to Islam.
Raymond Duckling - it's reasonable to suggest consulting a lawyer or accountant. Problem is, a lawyer or accountant will see things in conventional terms, through the lens of economic growth and the religion of progress. Since we don't expect economic growth to continue, it's better for us to research the alternatives with an eye to what scenarios might be more likely over the time we might have left. Plus the lawyer or accountant costs money that we'd prefer not to spend in that way, and I have a good guess as to what s/he might suggest which is not anything we'd do.
I agree that a one-time payment invested in skills or appropriate-tech capital makes sense. In our case, however, we already have most of what we think we'll need in those directions and can likely fund the remainder out of current savings or what we can put aside later from current income. In the case of the entity, it has a good chance of outlasting us, or at least lasting long enough to pay us more than the lump sum, since it deals in one of the few things people actually *need*, rather than just *want*.
More broadly, we were discussing the issue with friends of ours last weekend. They told us the entity they know best is also acting in a way as to attempt to reduce its underfunded pension liability. I think this economic wind may be blowing the way of more people before too long. It might be wise for people to watch for signs of it and consider what they might do before they only have six weeks to make a decision.
More on conspiracy theories:
(I had written this a few days ago, but through haste, never posted it... oh well, Better late than never)
RE: “the question to my mind is whether it'll be forgotten, or whether it'll be turned into a detail in a mythic narrative “
That’s a good point. The moon landings could easily be forgotten in the long run, as historical fact, and yet could survive as a kind of revamped Icarus myth at the same time. That would be the healthier version of the possible interpretations. There is a good likelihood, to my mind, of an interim interpretation subject to all kinds of selective memory and distortion of fact, where the lost Eden theme is grafted upon the space race of yore. The popularity of such a narrative would likely wane as the prospect of the return to techno-grandiosity wanes in its own right.
What I guess I was getting at with my initial comment is that at a certain point, if society does in fact find itself sans rocket science (and more) one day, the inability to comprehend a moon landing translates into an inability to believe in its possibility, which may be the path to forgetting about it entirely.
GreatBlue said: "The Master Conserver handout file that August Johnson posted is the collection of original scanned handouts, not searchable. A few years ago I converted the scans to text and graphics pdfs by chapter which are searchable. I sent an email to one of the Green Wizards admins. Maybe we can establish (re-establish?) a library of docs through the Green Wizards website."
I've got the link you sent me and will see about setting something up on the Green Wizards site.
All
For those who find the possible upcoming change in the United Kingdom interesting, I recommend Ian Jack's long article in the Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2014/sep/16/-sp-is-this-the-end-of-britishness
As a Brit who lived and worked most of my adult life in Scotland and who is the same generation as Ian Jack, it covers most of the ground. You could enjoy also the story of the origin of a long-time patriotic song "Rule Britannia". As I believe Americans say, that one is a keeper.
best
Phil H
@Ed-M
I had assumed you were likely a Quebecker based on your "fin des voies rapides" banner. Nice one!
The effect of dwindling energy supplies is a big question/ issue. Every indication suggests it will be wholly uneven and downright unjust. The poor, and even the present middle class being the first to be priced out of the market. Already we see wars fought asymmetrically, in terms of technology. The imbalance could be even more pronounced if the access to petroleum is all but cut off entirely (i.e. no Toyota pickup trucks hiding in the hills). I suspect the bumpy road ahead will involve at least some time where this disparity is pronounced. Arms, on the other hand, could well be widespread on all sides. I'm interested to hear what Mr. Greer will have to say about this in future posts...
SLClaire> In the case of the entity, it has a good chance of outlasting us, or at least lasting long enough to pay us more than the lump sum, since it deals in one of the few things people actually *need*, rather than just *want*.
Ok, that pretty much says it all. The other aspect would be how much more or less valuable would the money be *to you* now instead of later on.
Conventional economics say money is always more valuable now rather than later. This implies an infinite supply of project worth investing in. If you have already funded the education for your next postindustrial careers, that might not be the case anymore.
Best of luck!
Dear JMG,
Sorry for my late comment, but I wanted to read through some of this Hieroglyph book first.
Although the theme of the Hieroglyph project is to offer that optimistic, confident, we can't wait to see that future,
the overall tone of most of the stories is quite gloomy.(climate change, fascist surveillance police state, bankrupt nations, declining life expectancy, energy/material scarcity,...)
In particular in Cory Doctorow's one, the post-scarcity prophet, the protagonists live in a world of bankrupt nations and citizens, where diplomas are not worth their paper, unemployment is the norm, life is shorter and cancer is universal and feared (no cure). The heroes end up running a victory garden and surviving on one of the partner's job in a retirement home. Not the bright future one would expect for MIT top guns.
The only "optimistic" aspects of this story are:
- the attitude of the heroes towards life and what it throws at them
- the dream of the 30 year old dying from cancer friend coming true
That dream, is to let a legacy to our descendants, a probably future civilization recovering from ours, what he considers the best of XXIst century achievements, ie: the cooperative, open-source, share and make spirit: a free lunch for a future civilization able to use his gift and build upon.
I understand the strange optimistic aspect of this story as follows:
the degradation of climate and the living conditions and standard, the fall of our current civilization, etc are inevitable and you can't do anything to prevent it. It will happen no matter what you do. Nevertheless, you can still live extraordinary lives, so long as you focus on what you can control and make do with all the rest. A funny mix of stoico-epicuriano-maker-punk.
In addition, you can also try to produce something that will transcend our current civilization and maybe of helpful legacy to an nacestor in a remote future.
It's almost archdruidesque, except for the lack of conscience and will to be as less complicit as possible of the inevitable catastrophe.
It's a kind of optimism I can buy, and specially suprising when coming from the author of Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom.
Regards,
Del
@ Nastarana - Re: Gnosticism. About a year ago, I picked up one of the Great Courses series from my local library. It was a series of 24 lectures plus a book in a boxed set.
"Lost Christianities: Christian Scripture and the Battle Over Authentication." The lecturer was Prof. Bart D. Ehrman, Prof. of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Worth a look.
It's pretty expensive, but Amazon has them cheaper. If your local library doesn't have it, maybe they could get it for you on an interlibrary loan.
The Prof. also has published many books, but I didn't explore to see if he had published anything on Gnosticism.
The Great Courses Series are, well great! They cover a wide variety of topics ... history, religion, art, mathematics, cooking, etc. etc.. Lew
@Raymond Duckling:
"Conventional economics say money is always more valuable now rather than later."
I believe the more technical formulation is 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush'. ;-)
Any and all pensions/annuities/etc. assume business as usual for whatever period. It boils down to how comfortable you are with that assumption...
I totally get what youre saying Robert.
@sgage
I am all in for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush", that's why I posted my original comment on the probability of the private enterprise backing up said pension being around long enough to fulfill its obligations.
However, I had something different in mind when I mentioned the "Conventional economics..." quote.
Not being a finance worker, I am only vaguely aware of this, but there are precise formulas that tell you how much money is worth now versus the promise to pay the same amount in a latter date. I have heard it called "the cost of money", and it assumes that you are going to invest in some benchmark asset (let's say T-Bills, or index funds, or whichever). This by the way is also used to judge how much more "efficient" or "conservative" is any particular investment.
The distinction is subtle, but I think most people around here would agree that, while there is value in playing it safe and realizing smaller gains earlier, any mechanism that assumes infinite economic growth as its most basic premise is broken and may seem to work only in a contingent (and time-bounded) fashion.
@All,
I have been using the term 'heresy' in a more neutral sense than that usually connoted in our culture.
@Onething,
Entities occupying air means they could be breathed in to people's and animal's lungs, no? Go check out Mark chapter 5 and see what happens to 2,000 pigs after Jesus casts Legion out of the Gerasene demoniac.
Actually Genesis does say God gave man every creature good for food. It's at the end of the story of the flood, when Noah makes sacrifices to Noah.
@Kyoto,
Actually I'm in Louisiana, which outside of the Acadian parishes had only sorry remnants of its original French culture.
And yes, with the increasingly unavailability of petroleum-based fuels, I too expect asymmetrical warfare both domestic and foreign to become even more lopsided, until even the militaries run out of the stuff.
@ Raymond Duckling:
"Not being a finance worker, I am only vaguely aware of this, but there are precise formulas that tell you how much money is worth now versus the promise to pay the same amount in a latter date. "
Yes, very precise indeed. Net present value, and all that - the calculations really aren't that difficult. Give me an 'assumed' interest rate and I can calculate the net present value of some putative recurrent payment over a period.
But my point is that ALL of it assumes that business as usual will obtain over the course of that period - and what is one's comfort level with assuming that?
310I am a mechanical engineer, who was fortunate enoungh to be involved in a series of "semi-demonstrastion" solar construction projects. When you dive into engineering such systems and you are evironmentally conscience, something does not add up. If our planet's weather systems are driven by the sun (and it's energy absorbed on the surface), wind, ocean currents and thermal gradients can you actually think that converting 5-10% of earth's solar or wind energy will not produce climate change?
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